Continuing the family history reaearch of
Dr. Ezra Clayton Saylor
(1881 - 1954)

SAYLOR DNA PROJECT GROUP 1

Group 1 Group 2 Group 3 Group 4 Group 5 Group 6 Group 7 Group 8 Group 9 Group 10 Group 11 Group 12

GROUP #1
SL+ Seiler/Saylor Lineage
(<<-- Click to view a pdf file)
 
DNA testing places Group 1 members in the relatively rare I2b2-14 (L38-14) Haplogroup that shares a common ancestor with the 3000 year old skeletons found in the Lichtenstein Cave in central Germany. See additional information below.

We are Lichtensteiners!            

To view the L-38 test results click this text and scroll down to I-L38 S2606+, S2488+, S24121-.

Research of the I2b2 clade is supported by the FamilyTreeDNA L38 Project

During 2015 I was asked by the L38 Project for additional testing. With support from the L38 Project, a Big-Y test was requested and the results uploaded to YFull.com. YFull review placed my results in haplogroup subclade I-Y19211. Most, if not all, members of Group 1 should also fall in the I-Y19211 subclade. 

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Kit # Haplogroup 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37
1                                     V     V                           V    
218904 I-M170 13 25 16 11 15 16 11 14 13 12 11 28 17 8 10 10 12 25 15 21 28 14 14 15 15 10 9 19 19 14 14 16 17 33 35 12 10
51788 I-Y19211 13 25 16 11 15 16 11 14 13 12 11 28 17 8 10 10 12 25 15 21 28 14 14 15 15 10 9 19 19 14 14 16 17 33 35 12 10
84609 I-M170 13 25 16 11 15 16 11 14 13 12 11 28 17 8 10 10 12 25 15 21 28 14 14 15 15 10 9 19 19 14 14 16 17 33 35 12 10
349859 I-M170 13 25 16 11 15 16 11 14 13 12 11 28 17 8 10 10 12 25 15 21 28 14 14 15 15 10 9 19 19 14 14 16 17 33 36 12 10
156871 I-M170 13 25 16 11 15 16 11 14 13 12 11 28 17 8 10 10 12 25 15 21 29 14 14 15 15 10 9 19 19 14 14 16 17 33 36 12 10
154713 I-M170 13 25 16 11 15 16 11 14 13 12 11 28 17 8 10 10 12 24 15 21 29 14 14 15 15 10 9 19 19 14 14 16 17 33 35 12 10
127352 I-M170 13 25 16 11 15 16 11 14 13 12 11 28 17 8 10 10 12 25 15 21 29 14 14 15 15 10 9 19 19 14 14 16 17 33 35 12 10
                                                                             
For Group 1 members, a Y-DNA connection exists with another FamilyTreeDNA Project researching the rare I2b2 (I-L39) haplotype.

Our Group 1 Y-DNA results match that of 6 males uncovered at the Lichtenstein Cave archaeological site discovered in 1972. The Lichtenstein Cave is located in the foothills of the Harz Mountains near Dorste, Lower Saxony, (central) Germany.

DNA was recovered from the skeletal remains of 21 females and 19 males dating from the Bronze Age, or about 3000 years old. We can now claim ancestors with one of the world's longest family trees and safely say we have proven German ancestry.

The Lichtenstein Cave  test results fall into the I2b2-B clade. So we do not descend from males found in the cave. However, we share a common ancestor. The I2b2-14 clade is estimated to have split from the I2b2 clade about 4000 years ago. The I2b2-14 clade is identified by a DYS388 count of 14. DYS388 was not tested by the Lichtenstein Cave research.

You can view a chart in pdf format that compares Group 1 results with other I2b2-14 results by clicking this LINK ------>>>>> SAYLOR-I38.pdf.        

The PAPER trail for this Group goes back to Joseph Seiler, SL.

Joseph's second child was Daniel Seiler, SL2.

Daniel's family is documented in A History of the Sayler Family by James Lanning Sayler published in 1898. A copy can be purchased from Higginson Book Store - search for rs00141 or SAYLER.

Test #154713 is from a descendant of Daniel Seiler, SL2, and is a 36 of 37 match with test #127352. The descendant submitting test #154713 has a very strong paper trail now supported by DNA. The paper trail of test # 127352 is not complete: but, can now focus on the descendants of Daniel Seiler, SL2.

Joseph's fourth child Jacob is identified as SL4.

The most detailed documentation is contained in A Saylor Lineage by John Galen Saylor published in 1983. Copies are rare; but, an electronic version can be downloaded from the SaylorHomestead web-site, under Genealogy - Saylor Family - Saylor Lineage 1983. This is the marker sequence for the western Pennsylvania families documented by Dr. E.C. Saylor

For the tests #51788 and #84609 the documented Most Recent Common Ancestor is Jacob Seiler, SL413:
Test #51788 is from a descendant of his fifth child, Peter Saylor, SL4135.
Test #84609 is from a descendant of his fourth child, John L. Saylor, SL4134.

#51788 and #84609 are fifth cousins.

New testing indicates a 66 of 67 match between #51788 and #84609.

Results for Test # 156871 is very interesting

Test # 156871 is a 35 of 37 match with Test # 127352 and
                      also a 35 of 37 match with Test # 51788:
                      but, at different marker locations.
Test # 156871 is a 34 of 37 match with Test # 154713:
 but, Test # 154713 is closer 36 of 37 match with Test # 127352.
Results for Test # 349859 is also very interesting.
Test # 349859 is a 35 of 37 match with Test # 127352;

   but, a closer 36 of 37 with Test # 51788 and
          a 35 of 37 match with Test # 156871 and
          a 34 of 37 match with Test # 154713. 

At this time the paper trail for test # 156871 only goes back to a William H. SILER, born 30 MAY 1803 in Kentucky.

Also as of this time the paper trail for test # 127352 goes back to the 1850 census in Ohio indicating a parent born in Pennsylvania.

The SL identifier is from the Amish and Amish Mennonite Genealogies by Gingerich and Kreider.